@bhtooefr while possible, it seems unlikely given they've had so much success with using a combination of military and economic strength to strongarm everyone into doing what they want regardless of border policies.

I'd argue that providing open borders but extreme trade regulation favouring local goods and services, and a ban on "intellectual property", is the right choice in almost every situation.

@tessaracht I mean, you have the predecessor to the white American empire, the British Empire, whose effective overrunning of America wasn't even through military force, it was through their religious outcasts coming here, and then taking over.

Had the Native Americans treated the invaders properly, and enforced a closed border policy, the American empire would have never even happened - the settlers would have either died or gone back to England.

@tessaracht (Also note that I am a white American, and I'm calling for my own society to be quarantined by the world, and basically treated like smallpox. Not completely eradicated, but confined to a very, very powerless state so that it can be kept around as an example of how things went so wrong.)

@tessaracht Also, regarding the military strength argument... well, I support non-American nations increasing or gaining nuclear capability specifically to dull America's military impact.

I hate to hold them up as an example given how abusive they are to their own people, but look at what North Korea's nuclear saber-rattling did for them, against the US.